Posts by Jord

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get work (Message 314)
Posted 21 Jul 2020 by Jord
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Well, something's afoot. I can't get work either and Minecraft@Home is the only project allowed to ask for work.

21/07/2020 13:10:51 | minecrafthome | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
21/07/2020 13:10:51 | minecrafthome | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 8820.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
21/07/2020 13:10:53 | minecrafthome | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
22) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD, Intel and Nvidia GPU requirements (Message 311)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Jord
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But for that OpenGL is also hardware. Even DirectX is hardware. Though with these it's usually the software that is the limiting factor. For instance you require Windows 10 for DirectX 12 compliancy, any Windows before that is DirectX 11 or lower. What the drivers do is tell the operating system what the hardware can do, but they can't tell the operating system things the hardware cannot do. So while you can install OpenCL 3.0 drivers or OpenGL 4.6 drivers or DirectX 12 Ultimate drivers, when you hardware doesn't have the capability to run those it will default to the version the hardware can do.

OpenGL may be deprecated in favour of Vulkan, but that may not happen on all platforms.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD, Intel and Nvidia GPU requirements (Message 309)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Jord
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Also, the Intel/AMD OpenCL 1.2 support, is that a hardware issue or a driver issue?
OpenCL is hardware. You cannot update it with drivers on most systems. Some AMD FirePro can be updated from 1.2 to 2.0 under Linux with specific drivers, but that's because the hardware was already 2.0 capable.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get work (Message 302)
Posted 19 Jul 2020 by Jord
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There's a bug in BOINC 7.16.6 and 7.16.7 that doesn't load the default log flags <task>, <file_xfer> and <sched_ops> and so you won't see those messages.
This can be fixed by opening event log options (CTRL+SHIFT+F) then making sure those three are checked, before saving.

Your Intel GPU is not supported. See https://minecraftathome.com/minecrafthome/forum_thread.php?id=41&postid=286 for supported Intel GPUs. (They require OpenCL 2.0 support and above).
25) Questions and Answers : Web site : House keeping (Message 300)
Posted 19 Jul 2020 by Jord
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for some reason this is not in the document ProtectionFromSpam
Because it's an RPC/Account Control thing, not a protection from spam thing.
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AccountControl
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WebRpc
26) Questions and Answers : Web site : House keeping (Message 295)
Posted 18 Jul 2020 by Jord
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While it doesn't prevent the bots from making accounts (they can even make accounts with a recaptcha in place), I would advice to only allow users with credit > 100 to make a profile and add an URL. That way the spammers will be able to make accounts, but not fill profiles and URLs with their crap.

Now, if you look at users 661-680 they'll have spam in their profiles.
On the BOINC server we have those as well, but these get deleted automatically with the delete_spammers script that runs 24/7. So then you have a user called AkilahSpoffo who doesn't exist anymore. And that for all the spam accounts made today with spam in their profile or URL. We delete these accounts as we don't have credits on the BOINC server/forums.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD, Intel and Nvidia GPU requirements (Message 286)
Posted 18 Jul 2020 by Jord
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Panorama
Nvidia CUDA-only
Linux and Windows
Nvidia driver version of 418.96 or higher.

Kaktwoos
AMD, Intel and Nvidia GPU
AMD and Intel require OpenCL 2.0
Nvidia requires OpenCL 1.2


AMD GPU Radeon GCN 1.2+
RX 400 series
RX 500 series
Radeon drivers 19.12.3

RX Vega series
Radeon VII
RX 5000 series
Possibly others like Radeon Pro and FirePro W series
Radeon drivers 20.5.1 or better may be required

Intel GPU
Intel Iris Plus Graphics (OpenCL 2.1)
Intel UHD Graphics 610 (OpenCL 2.1)
Intel HD Graphics 610 (OpenCL 2.1)
Intel UHD Graphics 610/620/630/P630 (OpenCL 2.1)
Intel HD Graphics 610/615/620/630 (OpenCL 2.1)
Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640/650/655 (OpenCL 2.1)
Intel HD Graphics 520/530 (OpenCL 2.0)
Intel Iris Plus Graphics 540/550/580 (OpenCL 2.0)
Intel HD Graphics 6000/5500 (OpenCL 2.0)
Intel Iris Graphics 6100/6200 (OpenCL 2.0)
Intel HD Graphics 5300 for Intel® Core™ M Processors 515/5300 (OpenCL 2.0)
These are only available on generation 5 (Broadwell), generation 6 (Skylake) and above Intel CPUs.


Nvidia
Nvidia is a bit of a mismatched clusterf*** when it comes to OpenCL support.
While initially they embraced the new open standard, they stopped support for newer versions because it is a direct competitor to their own CUDA.

Basically, the earliest models like a GTX 465. 470 and 480 have OpenCL 1.2 support, while all of the GT(X)500s do not.
All of the GT(X)600s, most 700s, all 900s, all 1000s and all RTX are OpenCL 1.2 compliant.

I'll leave this thread open so people can add to it, or ask questions.

Linux drivers:
HY, MAH developer wrote:
For Intel:
Ubuntu 18.04/18.10: (intel) beginet beginet-opencl-icd (works for my UHD 600 on 18.10)
Ubuntu 19.04/20.04: intel-opencl-icd ("NEO")

For AMD:
ROCM for 18.04 and newer for Open-Source drivers
https://rocmdocs.amd.com/en/latest/Installation_Guide/Installation-Guide.html

Or, proprietary AMD drivers can be used if they are already installed. I personally have no experience with the proprietary Linux drivers
https://linuxconfig.org/install-opencl-for-the-amdgpu-open-source-drivers-on-debian-and-ubuntu

For Nvidia:
Nvidia official/proprietary drivers of 400 or newer, but for Panorama (cuda) 418 is required currently. After installing the Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu, you *must* install the nvidia-opencl-dev packages or the related OpenCL Nvidia headers on your distribution. This has caused major errors due to the OpenCL driver being installed by the package manager, but *not* what helps kaktwoos actually interact with it
28) Message boards : News : Enjoy the scenery (Message 285)
Posted 18 Jul 2020 by Jord
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The panorama app is a CUDA-only app for Linux and Windows with an Nvidia driver version of 418.96 or higher.
Plan class says 418.39, so do check you have the correct driver both sides.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get work (Message 284)
Posted 18 Jul 2020 by Jord
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Which version is required? Or does the server not report that back?

I'll go make a sticky thread with requirements.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get work (Message 281)
Posted 18 Jul 2020 by Jord
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An OpenCL 2.0 AMD GPU is a requirement at this project. That means Radeon RX 200 and above.
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Are the size estimates accurate? (Message 264)
Posted 13 Jul 2020 by Jord
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How do you do the math for the size estimate or time?
You can see the FLOPs estimate of tasks by checking the properties of a running task in BOINC Manager Advanced view, Tasks tab.
The latest I've seen was <rsc_fpops_est>30000000000000000.000000</rsc_fpops_est>

And you can see how BOINC calculates the run time for tasks by enabling the rr_simulation in the Event Log options... menu
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon VII CL_OUT_OF_HOST_MEMORY Error (Message 263)
Posted 13 Jul 2020 by Jord
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You can install the drivers manually via the following method:
1. Download newest version for Windows 7 x64 https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/beta/win7-radeon-software-adrenalin-2020-edition-20.4.1-apr2.exe
2. Start installation, select folder for unpacking (normally C:\AMD\)
3. When the message that it could not be installed appears, close program
4. In "Device Manager" select your device with mouse right click and choose "Update Driver Software..."
5. Select "Browse my computer for driver software"
6. In next screen browse to folder where installation is extracted and choose folder "AMD\Win7-Radeon-Software-Adrenalin-2020-Edition-20.4.1-Apr2\Packages\Drivers\Display\W76A_INF"(*), click "Next" and wait for installation of driver to finish
7. Now to install CCC (Control Panel), go to "Program Files\AMD\CCC2\Install" folder, run "ccc2_install.exe", and wait to finish installation (it could take few minutes)
8. In "Start" menu find group "AMD Settings" run Program "AMD Settings" and configure it (it must to be run manually first time to activate auto start of all services and programs)
9. Wait few minutes for background processes to finish and Restart system (not "Shutdown" and turn on)

It's probably possible to use the 20.5.1 drivers for Win10 the same way. (Don't use 20.7.1 as they're bugged, for me at least).

(*) The folder could also be called "AMD_Radeon_Installer_20.4.1\Packages\Drivers\Display\WT6A_INF" as somewhere around this time AMD changed the directory naming scheme.
33) Message boards : News : Kaktwoos 2.03 and Badges! (Message 257)
Posted 12 Jul 2020 by Jord
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RAC badges....as we say in the Netherlands "that doen't even make my piss luke warm/Dat maakt mij de pis niet lauw"
Brabants of Limburgs? Ergens anders in Nederland zeggen ze dat niet. Ik zie, het kon erger: de knien lopen los lus in ’t hok.

Anyway, this is the default badge system built into the BOINC back-end. Projects can use it, or add in their own system of badges. They're all free to do what they want. There's no need to get warm or cold over it.
34) Message boards : News : Kaktwoos 2.03 and Badges! (Message 252)
Posted 11 Jul 2020 by Jord
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https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BadgeDoc
The BOINC server code supports badges for the top 1%, 5%, and 25% of recent average credit (RAC). They are represented by gold, silver, and bronze medal images, respectively, and are assigned to both users and teams.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get any work (Message 243)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Jord
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To be able to use an Nvidia GPU, it requires OpenCL 1.2 and above. That's hardware based, you cannot update it with drivers.

Although your messages seem to point to a problem contacting a project's scheduler. But since you post such truncated messages, it's difficult to see what's happening. it doesn't necessarily mean BOINC cannot contact this project.
36) Message boards : News : Kaktwoos 2.03 and Badges! (Message 241)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Jord
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I agree that chip can use the above code as an example to disable these things. I already have hide signatures on because of the signatures some people have that are massive and way bigger than what they write into messages on the forums.
I also don't see in its documentation any mention of an option to disable these things.
37) Message boards : News : Kaktwoos 2.03 and Badges! (Message 232)
Posted 8 Jul 2020 by Jord
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Now please an option in community preferences for showing/not showing of badges. As I don't need to see them on every post and even in the forum index as well. Clutters. Of course I can go block them in uBlock Origin, but it would be friendlier to have the option to not show them. And leave that up to the user to decide.
38) Questions and Answers : Web site : House keeping (Message 225)
Posted 8 Jul 2020 by Jord
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By the way chip, you can also use the BOINCNetwork on Discord: https://discord.gg/wPRafUq
39) Questions and Answers : Web site : House keeping (Message 222)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Jord
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For the replication, errors and such see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/JobReplication
40) Questions and Answers : Web site : House keeping (Message 217)
Posted 6 Jul 2020 by Jord
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Enabled the reliable hosts stuff, should solve it for now
It's causing my computer to not be eligible to get work. If that's what you want, then so be it. But that's not what reliable hosts is there for. My host is sporadically on and running BOINC, I have an average turn-around time for this project of just under an hour (0.04 days). When it does get work it'll run it and return it in 40 minutes. Trouble is, my host hasn't had the chance yet to reach 10 consecutive valid results to be allowed to be reliable. 9 is the most it had in a row before there were two that couldn't be validated due to the problem I pointed out. So my count started anew, but your reliable hosts setting made it that my host cannot become reliable as it didn't make the requirements.

Hosts whose average turnaround is at most reliable_max_avg_turnaround and that have at least 10 consecutive valid results e are considered 'reliable'. Make sure you set this low enough that a significant fraction (e.g. 25%) of your hosts qualify.
You may run the project as you seem to find fit, I don't mind. But just filling in values without reading the documentation isn't going to be of help here. And it's not needed. I asked you a couple of times already to email the BOINC Projects email list if you feel you're in over your head, as the other project admins are more than willing to help out.

Do know that anyone with a new computer signing up now can't get work as their computer isn't reliable. And it's not explained either in the scheduler messages. Mine just says it asked for work but didn't get any.

06/07/2020 21:56:14 | minecrafthome | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
06/07/2020 21:56:14 | minecrafthome | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
06/07/2020 21:56:14 | minecrafthome | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 8820.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
06/07/2020 21:56:15 | minecrafthome | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
06/07/2020 21:56:15 | minecrafthome | [sched_op] Server version 715
06/07/2020 21:56:15 | minecrafthome | Project requested delay of 7 seconds

Go away, shoo.


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